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romney campaign official confirmed authenticity of the remarks but noted governor romney was elaborated on what axlerod said about the obama campaign's effort to target key demographics, specifically women. other republicans in a bid to avoid party imlation pushed back including governor bobby jindal. >> absolutely reject that notion that description. i think that's absolutely wrong. i don't think that represents where we are as a part and where we're going as a party. that's got to be one of the most fundamental takeaways from the election. >> joining us discuss all of this and more, republican strategic mark mckinnon co-founder of no labels which aims to get political leaders to stop fighting and start fixing. a lot needs to be fixed. i guess i wonder, as someone that has watched this election cycle, what you make of the ashes that have resulted at the end of it, which is to say, how does the republican party go on and what do they need to do from here? you see two various factions of the party, mitt romney on one side, someone like bobby jindal seemingly on the other? >> i come down
romney campaign official confirmed authenticity of the remarks but noted governor romney was elaborated on what axlerod said about the obama campaign's effort to target key demographics, specifically women. other republicans in a bid to avoid party imlation pushed back including governor bobby jindal. >> absolutely reject that notion that description. i think that's absolutely wrong. i don't think that represents where we are as a part and where we're going as a party. that's got to be...
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he pledged to sit down with his rival governor romney. >> there are certain aspects of governor romney's ideas that i think could be very helpful. >> while the president was paying mitt romney compliments, mitt romney was telling donors on a conference call a different story. blaming his defeat on a financial what he called them, gifts. what the president has given to supporter, including african-americans, hispanics, saying the president followed, quote, the old playbook. here's more from romney. with regards to the young people, for instance, a forgiveness of the college loan interest was a big gift. adding free contra are september tiffs were very big with young college-aged women. and as for hispanic voters, romney said free health care was a big plus. incoming chairman, louisiana governor bobby jindal, he slammed romney's comments. >> i absolutely reject that motion. that description. i think that's absolutely wrong. that is not -- i don't think that represents where we are as a party, and where we're going as a party. >> later, jindal said this to reporters. we've got to stop divid
he pledged to sit down with his rival governor romney. >> there are certain aspects of governor romney's ideas that i think could be very helpful. >> while the president was paying mitt romney compliments, mitt romney was telling donors on a conference call a different story. blaming his defeat on a financial what he called them, gifts. what the president has given to supporter, including african-americans, hispanics, saying the president followed, quote, the old playbook. here's...
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chris christie and behave in an elevated bipartisan way that governor romney had been trying to do. >> was there any whiff of bitterness with regard to the reference it chris christie? >> no. on the call he mentioned it was a statement of fact. >> and what about responses from any of the big donors on the call? were there any complaints? were there any reactions from them at the notion that mitt romney used all their money in what was a losing effort? >> the donors on this call were not able to ask questions. i've heard gripes from donors privately but on this call someone on it described it to me as a spin and grin. it was the romney campaign kind of explaining why they felt they lost and also thanking the donors for what they said was a very good job and talking about the donors actually going forward, about maybe an annual meet organize monthly news letter so this group of people, they said, could shape the republican party to come. >> i would think you might have a reaction to this. >> that would be the most expensive news letter in history. i thought i'd been black a long time. i
chris christie and behave in an elevated bipartisan way that governor romney had been trying to do. >> was there any whiff of bitterness with regard to the reference it chris christie? >> no. on the call he mentioned it was a statement of fact. >> and what about responses from any of the big donors on the call? were there any complaints? were there any reactions from them at the notion that mitt romney used all their money in what was a losing effort? >> the donors on...
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governor romney was simply elaborating on what david axelrod said about the obama campaign efforts to target key demographics specifically women. >> well, andrea, if i can quickly -- look, every campaign and candidate takes the policies that they've either put into place or would put into place and targets those two the communities they think would most benefit, would feel enthusiastic about them. that's campaign practice 101. that's why i think what mitt romney said, what he meant i leave up to him, but what he said sounds like he's accusing president obama's campaign of doing what every campaign throughout history has ever done, which is find people who are your supporters and make sure policies you've put into place you present them in the most positive possible light to those supporters to get them to vote. blaming voters is rarely a winning public relations strategy and that's why you see so many republicans jumping on and saying, whoa, mitt romney does not represent our view of the electorate. >> people, before i let you go, a major oil settlement, bp, closing the chapter, the h
governor romney was simply elaborating on what david axelrod said about the obama campaign efforts to target key demographics specifically women. >> well, andrea, if i can quickly -- look, every campaign and candidate takes the policies that they've either put into place or would put into place and targets those two the communities they think would most benefit, would feel enthusiastic about them. that's campaign practice 101. that's why i think what mitt romney said, what he meant i...
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we have a governor in this country who does some things and most of what mitt romney is objecting to is government. >> is there a government component here. mitt romney is talking about giving more tax breaks. >> paul ryan did an interview just this week where he was talking about the urban areas voting in a certain way. it seems that this is the fantasy, the delusion they've decided to carry on. they doesn't lose because their ideas were bad, they doesn't lose because of mistakes, they lost because somehow the 47% was given so many gifts that it dwru into -- got into 51%. >> they are going to be dogged by comments like this. it's not inclusive. how. >> we have republicans across the country saying we have to reconnect and connect with people young. dollar this gave them. >> john nichols, great to you have with us tonight. thanks so much. >> there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of "the ed show." >> in my own personal experience, it was very important for me to elect young people and encourage people to come and when they come here to give them opportunity to serve. >> 2
we have a governor in this country who does some things and most of what mitt romney is objecting to is government. >> is there a government component here. mitt romney is talking about giving more tax breaks. >> paul ryan did an interview just this week where he was talking about the urban areas voting in a certain way. it seems that this is the fantasy, the delusion they've decided to carry on. they doesn't lose because their ideas were bad, they doesn't lose because of mistakes,...
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>> well, i agree with republican governor jindal, that governor romney's remarks were way off base. they were a reminder about the comment caught on tape made during the campaign, sort of writing off 47% of american people. in addition, with respect to allowing young people to stay on their parent's health care plans until they're 26. if i recall right, governor romney said, hey, that was a part of the affordable care act, a part of obama care that he was going to try to keep. so to go of a the president's vote on the basis that we protected more young people from, you know, catastrophic health care costs, that we wanted to make sure people have access to birth control, and those kind of things, i think is going to strike the american people as just kind of very off kilter, and clearly some of the governor, republican governors and others recognize that it's another romney mistake. >> congressman chris van hollen with us this morning. nice to see you. appreciate you, as always. >>> christine's minding your business this morning. news on the stock market and bad news out of europe. >
>> well, i agree with republican governor jindal, that governor romney's remarks were way off base. they were a reminder about the comment caught on tape made during the campaign, sort of writing off 47% of american people. in addition, with respect to allowing young people to stay on their parent's health care plans until they're 26. if i recall right, governor romney said, hey, that was a part of the affordable care act, a part of obama care that he was going to try to keep. so to go of...
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if governor romney had won, it would disappear as an issue. however, i think you're going to see the g.o.p. try to use it as much as they can. and again it is disgusting. i think that everyone out there listening has the right-winger who watches fox who they work with and their vocabulary is noun verb benghazi. i think one of the growing challenges for progressives in the weeks to come is going to be how do we get the facts to talk about benghazi because i don't think the progressive media has done enough. i don't think the mainstream media has done enough to talk about what's actually going on there. i think the story is going to revolve quite a bit but can we play governor romney really quickly? this is from yesterday. i think this is the most telling thing he said in quite awhile. mitt romney made his first public comments since losing the election in a telephone conference with his donors and some really fascinating content. let's play that. >> the president's campaign did was focus on certain members of his base coalition, give them extra
if governor romney had won, it would disappear as an issue. however, i think you're going to see the g.o.p. try to use it as much as they can. and again it is disgusting. i think that everyone out there listening has the right-winger who watches fox who they work with and their vocabulary is noun verb benghazi. i think one of the growing challenges for progressives in the weeks to come is going to be how do we get the facts to talk about benghazi because i don't think the progressive media has...
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. >> louisiana's republican governor bobby jindal says romney has it all wrong and is not speak for the entire republican party. >> absolutely reject that notion, that description. i think that's absolutely wrong. that is not -- i don't think that represents where we are as a party and where we're going as a party. i think that has got to be one of the most fundamental type ways in this election. >> governor jindal is considered a possible presidential candidate in 2016. he says if republicans plan to rebound from their election loss, they have to stop dividing american voters. >>> 47 days until we hit the fiscal cliff. but billionaire warren buffett doesn't see what all the fuss is about. the oracle of omaha says as long as president obama holds firm on the wealthiest americans paying more taxes, we can go right over the clip without plunging into a recession. poppy harlow sat down for an exclusive interview with the founder of berkshire hathaway. >> i was shocked when he answered me. you'll hear from him in a moment. he's the only ceo i know, i was just talking to christine romans abo
. >> louisiana's republican governor bobby jindal says romney has it all wrong and is not speak for the entire republican party. >> absolutely reject that notion, that description. i think that's absolutely wrong. that is not -- i don't think that represents where we are as a party and where we're going as a party. i think that has got to be one of the most fundamental type ways in this election. >> governor jindal is considered a possible presidential candidate in 2016. he...
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romney really meant that 47% thing. joining me now, blaze.com, will cain and political analyst roland martin. welcome to you both. >> hey, carol. >> will, louisiana governor republican bobby jindal is criticizing mitt romney over these comments. >> i absolutely reject that notion, that description. i think that is absolutely wrong. that is not -- i don't think that represents where we are as a party and where we're going as a party and that has got to be one of the most fundamental takeaways from this election. >> will, respond. should mitt romney even have made those comments, even to his donors? >> well, you know, i don't know that he should be making comments, period. you know, one of your anchors on this network, john berman, pointed out to me it's traditionally pretty good graces to not talk about the election for some time after it's over if you're the loser of that election. that being said, let's talk about what he actually said. one of my favorite things about this election being over, carol, largely i get to s
romney really meant that 47% thing. joining me now, blaze.com, will cain and political analyst roland martin. welcome to you both. >> hey, carol. >> will, louisiana governor republican bobby jindal is criticizing mitt romney over these comments. >> i absolutely reject that notion, that description. i think that is absolutely wrong. that is not -- i don't think that represents where we are as a party and where we're going as a party and that has got to be one of the most...
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i'm sure that governor romney is spending time with his family. and my hope is before the end of the year, though, we have a chance to sit down and talk. there are certain aspects of governor romney's record and his ideas that i think could be very helpful. to give you one example, i think he did a terrific job running the olympics. and that skill set of trying to figure out how do we make something work better applies to the federal government. there are a lot of ideas that i don't think are partisan ideas but are just smart ideas about how can we make the federal government more customer friendly, how can we make sure that we're consolidating programs that are duplicative. how can we eliminate additional waste? he presented ideas in the course of the campaign that i agree with and so it would be interesting to talk to him about smog -- something like that. there may be ideas he has with respect to jobs and growth that can help middle class families that i want to hear. so i'm not either prejudges what he's interested in doing, nor am i suggestin
i'm sure that governor romney is spending time with his family. and my hope is before the end of the year, though, we have a chance to sit down and talk. there are certain aspects of governor romney's record and his ideas that i think could be very helpful. to give you one example, i think he did a terrific job running the olympics. and that skill set of trying to figure out how do we make something work better applies to the federal government. there are a lot of ideas that i don't think are...
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>> i think governor jindal said all things. the test will come in the months and years about the positions the republican party will have to change. the first test in the fiscal cliff negotiation. are they going to continue to insist that the people at the top who make the most money should not participate in solving the problem. are they going to insist in the beginning of next year when we turn to immigration reform that they're not going to help solve the problem of coming up with a comprehensive immigration reform bill. the problem for the republicans is they have to change positions. when they change positions people in the base will be very unhappy, and it's going to divide the party. but governor jindal is saying all the right things. the questions will be do the actions follow his words? >> also looking back to try to understand what happened during the 2012 election, running mate paul ryan, as you know, said urban voters gave the president the big margin to win. the critics are saying this is about questioning the demo
>> i think governor jindal said all things. the test will come in the months and years about the positions the republican party will have to change. the first test in the fiscal cliff negotiation. are they going to continue to insist that the people at the top who make the most money should not participate in solving the problem. are they going to insist in the beginning of next year when we turn to immigration reform that they're not going to help solve the problem of coming up with a...
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quote, governor romney was simply elaborating on what obama senior strais david axelrod had said about the obama campaign's evident to target key demographics, most specifically women. that was the other demographic targeted by the president bought with free birth control obviously. as for paul ryan, he just can't believe urban americans managed to leave their sad, cramped apartments and tenments and made the long trek to the voting booth. >> i think the surprise was some of the turnout. some of the turnout especially in urban areas which definitely gave president obama the big margin to win this race. >> apparently mr. ryan forgot his opponents were giving out free birth control. should have seen that coming. now, some in the gop are trying to escape this whirling vortex of deep denial and blame, especially those looking to run in 2016. louisiana governor bobby jindal was out at a mike within hours. >> i absolutely reject that notion, that description. i think that's absolutely wrong. i don't think that represents where we are as a party and where we're going as a party. >> well, into
quote, governor romney was simply elaborating on what obama senior strais david axelrod had said about the obama campaign's evident to target key demographics, most specifically women. that was the other demographic targeted by the president bought with free birth control obviously. as for paul ryan, he just can't believe urban americans managed to leave their sad, cramped apartments and tenments and made the long trek to the voting booth. >> i think the surprise was some of the turnout....
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what i realized is that these safety net programs, while they're -- i think governor romney would call them a handout or charity to billy, also benefit his employer because his employer has -- can pay low wages and have a fed employee and it benefits us, the consumers, because it keeps costs down. these are not just handouts to billy. this is a whole system we've created of protecting folks who are the working poor in our economy. we need to protect that. >> you know, when we talk about the relationship between income tax rates and inequality, i'm struck by the golden age in this this country. under eisenhower it was 90%, from kennedy through the carter years it was 70%. reagan got it down to 28%, and right now the debate is should we go up to 36% on to 36.9%. sister, my question is if we're talking about you using the tax code to address the equality, we're not having the debate nooe we need to have. this is a higher and more progressive attack system. could it get on the agenda realistically? >> well, i think we're taking steps towards that. when you do the analysis of what's going o
what i realized is that these safety net programs, while they're -- i think governor romney would call them a handout or charity to billy, also benefit his employer because his employer has -- can pay low wages and have a fed employee and it benefits us, the consumers, because it keeps costs down. these are not just handouts to billy. this is a whole system we've created of protecting folks who are the working poor in our economy. we need to protect that. >> you know, when we talk about...
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>> i think the thing you need to keep in mind about governor romney, a, he's shocked he lost. he really can't quite get over that he lost. he really thought he was going to win. and he's a data driven guy. he's already doing a postmortem going back -- >> data mining. >> trying to figure out what went wrong this is one of the things -- >> mayor, again, it's interesting a money guy, i have always noted the sort of symmetry of politics, people with a little problem with ethics always accuse the others of ethics problems. bought everything he ever got including his highly paid staff in the campaign. everybody was happy with using money on that side. he assumes he must have been outbid. >> that's exactly what someone who thinks he can buy votes was in fact doing. this guy is a salesman, chris. he doesn't know anything about making decisions based on whether or not it's something you believe in. he is of the opinion that money can generate belief, and in this case he doesn't understand how money didn't generate belief, how, in fact, dedication and vision and love dedicated, caused t
>> i think the thing you need to keep in mind about governor romney, a, he's shocked he lost. he really can't quite get over that he lost. he really thought he was going to win. and he's a data driven guy. he's already doing a postmortem going back -- >> data mining. >> trying to figure out what went wrong this is one of the things -- >> mayor, again, it's interesting a money guy, i have always noted the sort of symmetry of politics, people with a little problem with...
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against these comments and saying it's ridiculous and not the reason governor romney lost. what's the reaction been like in washington? >> republicans are very disappointed by this, and there are three big reasons. first of all, this is sour grapes, like this certainly isn't gracious. second, it's just not accurate. there were many, many other factors that were involved, gifts to minorities were not the reason that president obama won the white state of new hampshire, the largely white state of iowa. it's not why he won the hometown of paul ryan, janesville, wisconsin. so there's just a factual issue. but third and biggest, and this is where you heard the louisiana governor, bobby jindal, installed yesterday as the chairman of the republican governors association. this is where you heard him coming in, that republicans say this is a just-doesn't-get-it moment for romney. it makes republicans think that the 47% comment was no slip of the tongue. at his press conference in las vegas yesterday, governor jindal, our reporter, says became visibly agitated about this and said the
against these comments and saying it's ridiculous and not the reason governor romney lost. what's the reaction been like in washington? >> republicans are very disappointed by this, and there are three big reasons. first of all, this is sour grapes, like this certainly isn't gracious. second, it's just not accurate. there were many, many other factors that were involved, gifts to minorities were not the reason that president obama won the white state of new hampshire, the largely white...
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hilary, you just heard the governor of louisiana, bobby jindal, he's very critical of mitt romney, the campaign he ran. what did you make of that? >> well, i think there's just a whole lot of distancing going on. pretty typical after a losing campaign. i thought, you know, governor jindal spoke well about some of the mistakes republicans have made. a little bit of a mixed message. i think this was a values election, not the demographic election that some people like governor jindal and mitt romney have been talking about. so i think he needs to be clearer about those values. he did say we ought to not be protecting tax cuts -- you know, tax policies for the wealthy. i think the challenge for somebody like governor jindal who just is sort of sitting back and criticizing now is to take on republicans that are relevant. because mitt romney's no longer relevant. go to john boehner, go to mitch mcconnell and say let's promote these policies that help poor people that help the middle class that promote jobs. that's what the president's been trying to do. that's what he's calling for in sayin
hilary, you just heard the governor of louisiana, bobby jindal, he's very critical of mitt romney, the campaign he ran. what did you make of that? >> well, i think there's just a whole lot of distancing going on. pretty typical after a losing campaign. i thought, you know, governor jindal spoke well about some of the mistakes republicans have made. a little bit of a mixed message. i think this was a values election, not the demographic election that some people like governor jindal and...
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. >> on election night you said i were looking forward to speaking with governor romney, sitting down in the coming weeks to discuss ways you could work together on this nation's problems. have you extended that invitation? has he accepted and in what ways can you work together. >> thank you, mr. president. and congratulations by the way. >> christy was there when i was running for state senate. christy and i go back a long ways. >> i have never seen you lose. i wasn't looking that one time. megyn: oh, boy. joining me now, a democratic strategist and former aide to jim mcgreevey. bill mcgurn is a former speech writer for president bush. bill, your comments for the "wall street journal," if you had somebody from fox news channel going up to a president romney or george w. bush and saying congratulations. never seen you lose. there would be a little belowback. was that bias or just a nice moment. >> i think in the context it's this clubby atmosphere which is a problem. i have spent a long time in journalism mostly in opinion conservative side. i always thought it was wrong to whine abou
. >> on election night you said i were looking forward to speaking with governor romney, sitting down in the coming weeks to discuss ways you could work together on this nation's problems. have you extended that invitation? has he accepted and in what ways can you work together. >> thank you, mr. president. and congratulations by the way. >> christy was there when i was running for state senate. christy and i go back a long ways. >> i have never seen you lose. i wasn't...
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there has been mostly complimentary talk about governor romney saying he was a good man. he also had a good plan but there has been talk about he never really connected fully with the american people. to that point, governor jindal was asked about a comment romney made on a conference call yesterday with donors. he said he lost because president obama offered, quote gifts to young people and minorities. jindal rejected that and alluded to romney's damaging 47% comment, saying the gop had to fight for 100% of the vote. >> let's show we're the party not of big banks, wall street, of bailouts, not big business. we're the party that stands for families and small businessings, those simply working hard to pay their bills so their kids can get even better jobs. >> reporter: there's also been a lot of talk about the hispanic vote. of course president obama got 71%. mitt romney just 27%. compare that to the 44% that president bush got in 2004. you can see the party has its demographics problem. they're talking about softening their stance on immigration. possibly talking about, c
there has been mostly complimentary talk about governor romney saying he was a good man. he also had a good plan but there has been talk about he never really connected fully with the american people. to that point, governor jindal was asked about a comment romney made on a conference call yesterday with donors. he said he lost because president obama offered, quote gifts to young people and minorities. jindal rejected that and alluded to romney's damaging 47% comment, saying the gop had to...
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louisiana governor bobby jindal, a former romney surrogate, called the comments absolutely wrong. >>> and oil giant bp is expected to plead guilty today for its role in the massive 2010 gulf oil spill. as part of a reported deal with the justice department, bp would admit to criminal misconduct and pay what could be the largest penalty in u.s. history, in the billions of dollars. in exchange, the company would be exempt from prosecution. some workers could face manslaughter charges for things that happened during the spill. >>> and the end of twinkies could be just hours away. now, everybody, hugs after the show. maker of the snack cakes, as well as wonder bread, has given its striking workers an ultimatum. return to work by 5:00 p.m. today or it will start liquidating the company in bankruptcy court. some 18,000 jobs and the happiness of millions is at stake. >>> finally, a boys' football team in oklahoma just turned the field into a field of dreams for their coach's son. take a look at this. 9-year-old jason smith jr., football fanatic. but he's in a wheelchair because of muscular d
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why is it that republicans are elected governor, but mitt romney could not win the presidency? >> i think mitt is a good and decent man. we talked a lot about that here yesterday. 30 republican governor, the most we had in a dozen years. most of the battle ground states have republican governors in them leading the way, turning things around, balancing budgets, doing it while lowering tax, seeing revenues go up by improving the economy in each state. i think the reason is we laid out a clear path, clear agenda. people gravitated toward that. and unfortunately, mitt romney's campaign in the end was not able to overcome the early attacks from the obama campaign back in june and they suffered the inability to clearly lay that out. republican governors as a contrast have been able to offer a clear plan for each of our states. we're going to change america one state at a time. we're optimistic about the future with great leadership here. >> gretchen: thanks for getting >> thank you. >> gretchen: your e-mails on oak trees and allergies and chopping them down next time something made
why is it that republicans are elected governor, but mitt romney could not win the presidency? >> i think mitt is a good and decent man. we talked a lot about that here yesterday. 30 republican governor, the most we had in a dozen years. most of the battle ground states have republican governors in them leading the way, turning things around, balancing budgets, doing it while lowering tax, seeing revenues go up by improving the economy in each state. i think the reason is we laid out a...